Martial Arts Mastery: Emmanuel Manolakakis on the Journey of Mind, Body, and Spirit

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Welcome to the Living the Dream Podcast with Curveball. If you believe, you can achieve.

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Welcome to the Live in the Dream with Curveball Podcast, a show where I interview guests that teach, motivate, and inspire. Today, I am joined by Emmanuel Monanonacoculus. Emmanuel is an internationally respected martial arts instructor, author, and entrepreneur. He has over 40 years of experience, and he has dedicated his life to helping people develop strength, not just physically, but mentally and emotionally. So we're going to be talking to Emmanuel about his work. He's based out of Toronto, Canada. And we're going to be talking to him about everything that he's up to and gonna be up to. So Emmanuel, thank you for joining me.

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Thank you, Curtis. Thank you for having me.

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Why don't you start off by telling everybody a little bit about yourself?

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Oh, this is always the hardest part. I'm so I so don't talk about myself, you know. But um, okay, so I'm 57 years old. Um I started training in martial arts when I was 15. Um, so it's been a long time. I've done a lot of different martial arts. Um around 92, 1992, um, I started training in a type of martial art called Systema. Um, and I kind of stuck with that one. I really enjoyed it. And I've been doing that one ever since 1992. Um, along the way, I went to university, I played a ton of sports, I worked for big companies, I worked for in the business world, and then I around 20 uh 2003, I started my own club. And I uh mostly out of necessity because I had moved, I gotten married, and I had moved from one part of Toronto where I lived with my parents to another part of Toronto, but it was kind of far to train uh and drive across such a big city. I opened up my own club as uh kind of just a part-time gig, and uh it just grew and grew and grew uh till it became a full-time thing for me. Um, and it's been almost 25 years now for that. Um, so I've done a lot, you know, and I've used martial arts uh professionally as a bodyguard, um, work in dorm services as well and security gigs um in various capacities. And I've used it just for myself for to keep uh healthy and fit. Um along the way in 2010, I picked up a new hobby just because I martial arts was starting to be like my what I do all the time. So I needed a new hobby, and uh I started archery. And next thing you know, I'm quite proficient as an archer as well, and compete um nationally and internationally as well. So I've done a lot. I've done a lot of hobbies, I've done a lot of things, and I've explored these things um not at uh intermediate levels, but I try to train with them at the highest possible levels. Um it's a whole other type of um, whole other type of athlete that trains recreationally, that trains um uh as an amateur and then as a professional. It's a whole other uh ball game. So, and along that way, uh people started to find me and start asking me for they were studying martial arts, but in different ways, Curtis. They were studying it like um some people, of course, study it because they got bullied. Like, you know, Muhammad Ali started boxing because somebody stole his bike, right? And he wanted to beat him up when he found them. Um I started martial arts can do a lot for you in terms of uh mental discipline, um, as well as archery, as well as those things. And people started to source me out for those kind of things where they wanted they had um things they were doing and they wanted to train at them at the highest level. And the highest level is not physical, it's mental. So I started to help people with uh what I would call mastery training, um, where people really want to master something. And I've done it in three, four different disciplines in my life. So I kind of have a good road that I've understood. I hope that helps. There's a lot in between all of that, but hopefully that gets us started.

SPEAKER_01 4:45

Oh, it does. And uh, you know, as you say, you spent over 40 years in martial arts, so talk to the listeners about how that journey began and what kept you committed to this journey for so long.

SPEAKER_02 4:57

Great question. So I I'll begin by saying this. I I worked at a big telephone company for years where we all sat around at uh a table and everybody, you know, first introduced themselves and it was years of experience. And it was just such a oh, I hated it. That's just ridiculous. I think people sometimes that do things for a long time, they're not necessarily better than people that do it less. Okay, so I've I've done martial arts 40 years, but I will tell you, every year I do martial arts, every year that rolls over, I want to I want to study it brand new. I I don't let years mean that I know something. My training dictates what I know. Every year, um, and that's a real hallmark of of masters. And and as you said, how do you how did you train for 40 years? I'll tell you exactly how I did it. I was supposed to, I just said, I'm gonna do martial arts for one year. And then every year I say I'm gonna do martial arts for another year. And it's my responsibility to make sure that I train in such a fashion that come January, I say, I want to train another year. Um I I hope that makes sense to to you and your listeners. Um, I see it, I see it if I give you one small analogy. People start running. Let's say you you decided you wanted to start running, some sort of running routine. It's very easy to do, right? Well, if you train, if you run too much, then you don't want to do it again. So you have to pick a distance and a time and an effort, which makes running enjoyable, so that the next day you want to run again. But what happens, people start getting fixated on I want to run a half a marathon, I want to run a marathon, and then all of a sudden they wake up sore, they wake up tired, they're fatigued, they're not resting good, and then they don't want to do it and they they stall. So the trick to doing something for a long time is to gauge the effort, just go slow, you know. It's like the old fable of the turt, the tortoise and the hare, you know, slow and steady, you know, just enjoy the process, enjoy it. Don't worry about the belts, don't worry about the the tournaments and the trophies, and just could keep growing as a person. And a year turns into 40, like I blink, you know.

SPEAKER_01 7:22

Well, I know you talk about hell and the mind, body, and soul. Talk about how martial arts uniquely brings all three into alignment.

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Well, you know, anytime. So listen, I'm I'm Greek Orthodox, um, and I was born and raised that. So it's been my faith for my whole life. Um, it's I've I feel, you know, after all these years, that it's important to have faith in something. Um, as long as it's a good faith and that it it promotes good things, then it's wonderful. It doesn't matter which the faith to me. Um, but it represents the extreme, if you will. Like, I mean, listen, every day we go through our lives. We all live quite comfortable lives here in North America. You know, we're not there's we're not they're not bombs dropping on our heads here. Um, you know, we have plenty of food. Um, you know, can't say that for everybody, but generally we do quite well in North America. And um, so we don't have these extremes, but there are times in our lives where things can become extreme. And for most professionals that put their lives in harm's way, um, faith is is one of those things that uh you need to have uh exercise. So having faith and mental um uh ability as well as physical ability, they they're not right and wrong, they they come in need uh in different ways. So if I train in martial arts, of course, at the very beginning, it's all physical. You know, I just started doing push-ups and squats and fighting and doing all the stuff that you do in martial arts. But then after two, three, four, five years, depending on the person, they start to realize that because you've done it a lot, it starts to rub off on other aspects of your life. You start to you find that what worked on the mats to calm you down all of a sudden works at work to calm you down and helps you calm down at home. And the mental fortitude to stick with a program, like uh going consistently two, three times a week to training and making the time and practicing, you start to see those benefits and they rub off on other aspects of your life as well as your mind. And then if you do anything real long enough, you understand that the deepest expression of an art or a craft is on the inner side of you. So if I was a musician, I would initially practice um playing a song that I know from another singer. And after a while of practice, I would start to change that song that I know and maybe add a few lyrics of my own. Um, and then if I keep playing my guitar and my music for a long time, I start to develop my own song, and those songs come from my personal experiences deep down in my spirit. So it's just it's just with time, it just comes with time, you know, and you can't rush that process.

SPEAKER_01 11:52

Absolutely. Well, what does the term spiritual warrior mean to you? And how can someone start to invite it in their everyday life?

SPEAKER_02 12:00

Sure. So let's let's let's break this up into two bits. Warrior. Um, so a warrior is how does a warrior differ from a fighter? A fighter is uh somebody who's competing in something, so a boxer, wrestler, and usually fighters uh compete in a sport or some sort of arena that has some rules, right? And that governs the contest, and that makes a fighter. A warrior um is not worried about winning and uh losing stuff, it's it's bigger purposes. You know, it's uh the warrior doesn't worry about getting punched or getting hit. Um, it's uh it's he has a bigger plan in mind, there's a bigger vision, the country. He it's not just himself or a set of rules or wins and losses. It's a much bigger picture for a warrior. Um so when you look at you say warrior, um, the warriors I've met, and I've met a lot, I'm talking, you know, people that risk their lives, soldiers, combat soldiers, in all kinds of countries, not just American or Canadian, all kinds of countries. Um, some in uh um soldiers of organized and unorganized um countries. And they all have the same idea. The the the the phrase I want your listeners to remember is uh a true warrior, he doesn't hate what's in front of him, but he loves what's behind him more. So he doesn't think about hurting somebody. He says, I love these people behind me and I need to do whatever I can to protect them, my country, them, my area. That's what they think about. They don't have hate for somebody else, so they have um this immense amount of love for what's behind them. And when you have a spirit, when you develop your spiritual, um, because we say a spiritual warrior, it's a person who's come to terms with death and who understands that death is close and it's near. And he needs to be as uh clean as he can. If if this is the final hour, then it should be your greatest. And if it's gonna be your greatest, you shouldn't be angry. If I was a musician, I was playing my favorite song, and this was gonna be my, you know, I'm playing the I should be as happy as I possibly can be. Sounds kind of weird or sounds kind of unusual for your listeners, but it's not, it's the truth. You know, there are a few times in my life I've been on that doorstep, and you at that moment it fear can overtake a take overtake a person, a man for sure. It's uh intense, and you know, everything you worry about comes rushing to the front of you. It does not, you know, we live life, everything that worries us is kind of like in the background, and we have stuff that's in the front of us. When you're that close to near death, you're everything is right there. You know, it's if you're about to jump out of an airplane, you know, like skydiving, I mean everything is right there, you know, like you're literally uh like a wall. So when you have a heightened sense of spirituality, you understand uh prayer and you understand um to think positive and to think good and to be good. Um, and then you have this immense skill of fighting, and you need to use it for what's absolutely necessary. You you want the least possible damage that you can do, but um, you combine those things together, right? Um, but a warrior that's um lost his mind or he's not not stable and for your listeners, you know, everybody knows this training of the um Navy SEALs, and you just watch them, you know, and watch their training, you know, but number one skill set they're trying to understand is trust. They have to trust the person beside them. And they're trying to break them physically, but then mentally, because that's the the worst one. You don't you can't lose if you lose your mind, um, if if you lose grasp of it, you're done. You have to be able to keep your mind. Um I believe Johnny Cash said it, said it in a song. I could live a thousand years if I'd try to find a way to keep myself, I'd find a way. You gotta find a way to keep your mind in extreme situations. It's not just death. I've competed at high level international competitions, you know. I I mean it's not death, but geez, your whole life is on the, you know, your whole training, 30 years of of training for an Olympic Games, and it comes down to like five seconds or 10 seconds or two minutes, whatever it is, your competition. I mean, it at that moment, it's there's a lot of fear and a lot of doubt that you can compete at those good levels. And uh the athlete needs to train, and the person needs to train under those extreme situations that you can control how you're thinking. Right. And so those things come together. You have this physical training you do, it almost humors us. But the real training is in the mind is in the mind, that's that next level, and then the highest level is the spiritual because that's as close as you're gonna go to death. That's the closest those extreme situations, and you have to have a heightened sense of of spirituality to be able to dance with uh that close to death. Now, I'm not to make it sound so dark, but for your listeners that are listening, you know, modern living is stressful, man. Like I've been in, I, you know, I look back at some of the harrowing situations I've been in, and you know, they were over quick. They lasted a couple of seconds, maybe a minute or two. But we live life every day, and and we're bombarded with these little stresses that really add up by the end of the day. And and you really realize that um maybe it's not as extreme as a military person or those kind of things, but the the steady accumulation of of um of stress really uh wears on just the average person. And you can see an anxiety and all that kind of stuff. You can see those disorders. It's just that kind of thing, right? So we all can benefit from that kind of training because modern living is like uh it's slowly killing us. For the military, it's quick. If you have if it goes wrong, it's quick. Slowly happening to us. So we should we need to pay attention to subtle differences that helps us for modern living.

SPEAKER_01 19:14

Well, let's talk about your book, you know, tell the listeners why you decide to write it, what they can expect when you read it.

SPEAKER_02 19:19

Book, book was book was uh was a blessing. I I so it was a pandemic hit and it changed, you know. Obviously, the pandemic changed uh martial art training, right? We had we couldn't train uh close. I did a lot of training classes outside, um uh, which was great, and had wonderful students, and I can't tell you how good the flight club students are, just like a huge family and uh I love them all. But I finally had some time because I was teaching, teaching, teaching, and I didn't have any time to write a book. I always wanted to, and then it kind of slowed me down. And to be honest with you, it was the it was a breath of fresh air for me. I didn't like it, but at the beginning, but then later I really came to realize that it it allowed me to take pen to paper more consistently. Every day I wrote, and I wasn't thinking about writing a book, I was just writing stuff, and then I started well, maybe a book, and and I just started writing and uh I put it all together, it was tons and tons of pages. Um, and I I I put it all down and sent it to a publisher, and they really enjoyed it. And next thing you know, I published it. It's called eudaimonia, and I stumbled across the word, so it was really interesting. I was, I don't know, just I'm Greek, my background Greek, if you haven't told your listeners can see. Um so I I was doing some research and I came across, you know, Aristotle, and all of a sudden, there was this word I see, hudaimonia. I was like, oh, what the hell is that word? And it says the highest human good. It's like oh, what's this is interesting? I have the highest human good, I hope. And then I started, it was a philosophy that Aristotle had about, and it went on to explain it up just because we keep it simple. Your read, your reader, your listeners can can check it out if they want. But basically, Aristotle came to the conclusion that a man's virtues are fully formed by the age of 51. Now, I found that really fascinating because when I read that, I was 51. And I was like, what are the chances of that? What are the like, what are the coincidental chances of and and that's such an arbitrary number, not 50, not 55, but 51. And I've I reflected on that statement, and I realized, yeah, my virtues are fully formed. What I like and what I don't like and what I know, it's not based on just readings, it's based on real application in my life. The virtues that I have that I believe in are time tested for me. And I loved that word. I said, I love this word. And I and I started looking, I started writing, and I saw my experiences as something quite different than than what I was writing. I was writing about it as a martial artist and as an athlete and as a as a trainer, and it reminded me what those old Greeks were doing. They always saw society at one level bigger. And I think if we all, the listeners included, can do that. Like everything you do, the things you say, the things you eat, the places you go, if you think about the just one step bigger, what does this say about me? I think you'll start to understand that old phrase, you know, if you want to understand a person, show me their five closest friends, and then I'll show you that person. And that's one level bigger. That statement is one level bigger. It shows you, it goes above a problem or above an of a thing and goes sees it from a different angle. And I realized the highest human good takes anything you do, athletics, martial arts, punches, kicks, work, jobs, it brings it up a level. And I started to write from a different perspective. Now instead of looking down to up, I was looking like above. And it dawned on me that that's kind of what spiritual spiritual training does. It puts you from a different vantage. What if God was watching? What would he say? All of a sudden, it changes it, right? We can lie to ourselves, we can lie to somebody else watching. It's different, right? So I hope that helps.

SPEAKER_01 23:50

Absolutely. Well, you work with people in many stages of life. So talk about the most common mental and emotional blocks that you see and how can people overcome them?

SPEAKER_02 23:59

So there's a lot here. I'm I mean, I'm a parent with with kids now in university, and I've I've been teaching kids at the fight club. I mean, think about that. My name like Fight Club. Do you ever do your listeners ever think I would be teaching kids? I wouldn't name my club Fight Club. I never thought in a million years I would be teaching kids. But um, but I I I was teaching adults this this amazing martial art that's quite physical. And they were going home though, and yeah, they had kids like I did, and they were showing their kids what they learned at class, and they were coming home telling, they were coming back to class saying, My kids loved what you did. I I showed them what you showed me, and they just they loved it. And you should maybe start a kid's class. And you know, I resisted this for a while because this idea in martial arts is kind of like um when you start teaching kids, it becomes, I don't know, I don't know how to say it in a nice way, but it's kind of like, well, it's like you're selling out, you know, there's this purity to martial arts, you know, this like you know, it's tough thing, you know. You start teaching kids, it's like you're doing it just for money. And that was the sentiment at that time. Definitely wasn't the case, but at that time. So, but my students kept asking me, my older students kept asking me to teach their kids. So I started with a group of seven boys. And I said, okay, give me a year and let me see what I can figure out. Teach these kids. And next thing you knew, you know, it was very difficult. It's not easy, man. I mean, I if anybody's ever watched Kung Fu Panda, uh, there was a after the first one, the second kung fu panda, he was it was not monsters he was fighting, it was it was he had to teach kids. Like that was the teaching kids was above the the the villain um in terms of difficulty. Uh and I agree with this. Very difficult to teach kids because kids are brutally honest, and kids just want to have fun, and they'll say things and do things that will challenge you, irritate you. Uh, with adults, you can just throw them around a little bit, you know, it's fine, but you can't do that with kids. So you're in a you're kind of stuck. So, but I then after about a year, maybe a little bit more, I figured out my angle as a teacher to teach kids. And for me, it was I couldn't look at a kid the way they were. So if they were at age um, if they were let's say uh 10 or 8 or something, um if I if I tried to teach them as that age, it would frustrate me because I'm not eight and it's so long ago, I I don't know. And and they're changing so much kids. Every year they they grow a little bit, they change a little bit. So I what I did was I started to say, I had to envision little Johnny as a 21-year-old man, or little Sally as a 21-year-old girl. And I said, what do they need to know? And what do they need to understand by the time they get to that age? How can I how can I take this child and make sure they get to 21 and they're responsible and they can protect themselves and that they're good people? That so then so then I was teaching with the end in mind, and that kept me focused on where they need to go. You know, some kids they can't shut up, they need to shut up. Other kids, they they don't talk enough, they need to talk more. Some kids are uh erratic and silly, they need to calm down. Other kids are shy, they need to open their shell. Every kid has something different they're working on, and it would allow me to keep me focused. Now, so that was great. But what I did was I structured, I had kids' classes first, then after that, I had an adult class. And what I noticed, Curtis, after I don't know, six months, maybe a year, I could look at a kid and I knew who they would match up as one of my adult students. I said, that kid, if he keeps going the way he is, is going to be like that guy in my adult class. And then when I was in the adult class, I would look back, I would say, I can look at that adult and see, that's probably the kid you were. I was actually making these connections with kids and adults. And it really helped me a lot as a teacher. It's probably the single biggest thing that helped me develop my teaching style. Because as adults, we get too serious, life becomes a very serious thing, and we need to play more like kids. And for kids, life is all play, but they need to get a little serious just to learn, right? To be in a good place for learning. So they both could benefit from each other, right? They both could benefit from each other. And I found that um the trick uh for all your listeners is to grow to be my age and be playful like the kids. And that's that's something special. To be young at heart, you know, and you're not gonna get young at heart if you're hanging around people your age, unfortunately. You know, you stay young by being around young people, you get wise by being around wise people, and you you just have to take that approach, and not just, but it's it's incredible, you know. So I've I've taught this huge spectrum of kids from you know six, which I didn't want, but the parents wanted anyway, from six all the way up to seventies, and and they they they I get them all to train the right way. Um, because you can train in martial arts all your life, if you but you got to train the right way. You're not trying to, you're not trying to be 30 when you're when you're 60. You're trying to be 60 and and and in a in the best possible way. So um, and the teacher sets that tone, right? And the beautiful thing about the art that I teach is we're not focused on competitions, we're focused on learning, we're focused on understanding and growing ourselves. It's a whole other ballgame, right? It's a whole different type of craft to everything.

SPEAKER_01 30:12

That makes sense, does that help? Yep, absolutely. Tell us about any upcoming projects that you're working on that listeners need to be aware of.

SPEAKER_02 30:21

Um, well, I mean, listen, I I do um when the pandemic hit, I I have gone around and taught martial arts internationally for years. Um, I started doing a lot of online training and I started to really realize that um the online stuff is great and you can accomplish a lot. I have a a dear friend of mine here in Toronto who's uh a cyclist, and his coach is from Belgium. He's a Canadian national team cyclist, and his coach is from Belgium. And I said, How does that work? And he goes, easy. He goes, I meet with him every week, I have a heart rate monitor, I have a GPS, I track my rides, I send him my workouts, and he evaluates all the data and tells me what it should work on. And I go, really, you can do all that. He goes, Yeah, I accomplished quite a bit. He's he's great. And I realized for the right people, um, there's different types of coaches. And I realized there's a lot of people that really do excel, they can work hard. They just need the guidance, they just need the direction, the explanation of how to train and the mindsets, and they do quite well. I'm one of them. So I started doing some online coaching, and that's been great. It's called Master's Method, and it's it's on my website. And I have students from the UK, from France, Czech Republic, you name it. And I coach them in all kinds of stuff business, life, um, all kinds of stuff. You know, I help them, the idea is the highest human good that you can do. Um, sometimes, you know, work is our worst thing. Other times it's we're competitive athlete that's trying to break over the next level. There's all kinds of stuff. So I do a lot of online coaching as well as seminars. Uh I run my own school in Toronto, which is which is quite busy. That keeps me busy every day. I'm working on another book as well. Um, the best thing your listeners can do if they really want to follow along with what I'm doing is um Fight Club has an app. You can download the app. It's literally Fight Club Sistema. I'll give you the I'll give you the contacts and you can share it with your listeners if you want. The uh my book you can order at Amazon, Eudaimonia by Emmanuel Menelakakis. You can order it there, it's it's pretty easy peasy to get. Um, yeah, there's I mean, life is changing, as you know, right in America and as around the world, life is getting is the world is about to go through an interesting change. And I I personally believe that the struggles we're gonna have all of us are more mental struggles, and I think part of that stems from there's just too much information out there right now. There's a lot of information, and but unfortunately, information is not what makes us happy, right? We need to distill the information and take what's relevant. If we take all the information, it's kind of like a buffet. You go to a buffet, and if you just eat everything in sight, you're gonna get an upset stomach. You got to kind of pick what you like and enjoy it. Uh, right now, whether it's AI or whether it's just the advent of so much information, um, it's causing us stress, it's causing us a lot of anxiety, it's causing us to hesitate to make decisions because we think that if we gather more information, we're gonna make a better decision. And that's not the case at all. Any listener that wants to understand that deeper, just uh read a book by Annie Duke Um Thinking in Bats. Great book. Um, great book, another book called Blink by Mark by Gladwell. More time, more information doesn't give you a better decision. It's proven, guys. So this idea of lots of information just causes uh dysphoria and it it it it's it's hurting us. And so when a lot of people, when they come to train at the fight club, it really is relaxing their minds and then working their bodies to stop thinking. Um, thinking is good in some regards, but too much of it is energy draining. Energy drain. And I can tell you, I've done labor jobs like physical work, and I've also done office work. And I was way more exhausted coming home from the offices. It was so much stress every time. There was always something going on. By the time you got home, your mind was exhausted that your body just wanted to collapse. Whereas when I worked physical labor, I mean, my body was tired, but my mind was was sharp. I could go home and I could read and I could do other things, but I could not do that when your mind is exhausted. Your body just wants to collapse. So the the balance here is you want to be able to get enough information, make a decision, and save energy. Because uh, whether your listeners know this, um the human mind, if we absorb, let's say 3,000 calories a day, let's say we need to function as people, well, almost 50% of that, it's like 43, 47% of that caloric intake goes to our minds. So our brain requires a lot of calories to think. It's a it's processing. So imagine if you don't think so much, if you just relax your mind, you're already saving 50% of your calories, which is pretty just pretty amazing.

SPEAKER_01 35:54

Well, though at your contact info so people can keep up with everything that you're up to.

SPEAKER_02 35:58

Yeah, I'll I'll send you. You want me to say it on on air or you want me to send it to you? How do you how would you like it?

SPEAKER_01 36:04

Uh you can say it on air.

SPEAKER_02 36:05

Sure. Okay. So it's uh so it's just just go into Google, just type in fight with a dash uh club.ca. Uh if you go to the app store or any of your uh anywhere you get the apps where it's Google or or or Android, Android or iOS, um, it's fight club one word with a space system S-Y-S-T-E-M-A. Download the app and man, everything I do is right there. Um, the app is different from my website. The app is uh like like really geared for existing students and for people that because it's where I put my direct thoughts. I I've been kind of unfortunately disappointed with some of the social media stuff that I see. There's a lot of fake accounts, a lot of angry people there these days. So I put a lot of my stuff there. And and it's it's just a great platform. I don't want to distract people. If you want to learn from me and you want to understand what I'm teaching and the way I'm teaching, it's all there. So whenever you're ready, you go there. It doesn't notify you, it doesn't beep you. It, you know, that's how I would want it. I'm I I have people that I I follow that have their content somewhere. And when I'm ready, I go there. I don't want to be notified in the middle of stuff. I have time set aside for my training and I go to that place to go get that training. Um, so that's how I've set up the app. Um, yeah, and then I listen, you don't know what a coach can do for you until you start down that road. And uh right now it's really hard to find good coaches. I know because I'm always looking, and it's not easy to find good coaches. So I'm trying to be one of those people that is a good coach that can help people um make tangible, noticeable results in what they do. I don't want just to flood you with information and impress you. I actually want you to see an improvement in uh your life and what you're and what you're doing, whether it's going to the Olympics or just living a good life.

SPEAKER_01 38:10

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SPEAKER_00 38:41

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